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[729 fx]

Has anyone tried either Hurricane II or III with DHS #19 sponge or #20 sponge? Could I get some feedback on how it performs?

[rokphish]

me likey #20...

[varghese]

Do they have speed glue effect? Do the players have to tune them like they tune the Commercial DHS Hurricane 3?

I heard about DHS Hurricane III Neo. Is it new in the market?

[729 fx]

Apparently #20 sponge is the improvement over #19 sponge, both produced by DHS. What I am looking for is the feedback from members who have used these sponge with either H2 or H3 before. These are diferent from the Nittaku H3, where the sponge is softer, most likely a Jap sponge.(that is my guess).

I do not think they have any speed glue effect like the new H3 Neo. These are rubbers introduced between speed glue era & post-speed glue time. As for the H3 Neo, I also heard that it is a new product released by DHS and this rubber is factory-tuned rubber (which is a similar technology to the Haifu Tuner). DHS has factory tuned the rubber to similar to have the speed glue effect, and it's legal in tournamentsl. Now one can play H3 Neo just like the good old days, that is it will play like it is speed glued up but it'll pass the ENEZ test (as claimed by one of the distributor of H3 Neo)
Specs from one of the site selling the H3 Neo :
Sponge: #20
Hardness: 37/38 (used to be 39-42)
Thickness : 2.15/2.20mm

[ping_77]

I found this nice website:

http://www.variosport.pt/_plat2/_geraloja.cfm?cod_loja=58

[729 fx]

Yes, I know of various wedsites (other than the Spanish/Portugese website you refer to) which distribute the H2 and H3.

What I wanted to know is the feedback on #19 sponge and #20 sponge with either H2 or H3.

[tkphd11]

Hello,
I have tried H2 and H3 rubbers lately. I have discarded my 30 years old Stiga blade and purchased a TB Spirit. I play close to table, mostly above the table.
I did not like Tenergy 05 on it (FH) - the top-spin arc was too high and I got smashed often. On my BH I used a Bryce Speed FX – both 2mm+.
The backhand did not work at all since the Bryce was very jumpy on TBS. I had to close almost horizontally my blade in order to keep my fast BH topspin counter hit on table. It was so frustrating to hit often the blade edge and have wrist muscles aches daily, I had to take off both rubbers.
Then I came across the Hurricane 2 info, mostly due to Wang Liquin’s usage of it.
So, I ordered H2 #19 sponge for FH, and H2 Neo for BH.
The black H2 NEO 2.15mm on my BH works like a charm. I can pull out any push – short or long, slow or fast with BH top-spin or side spin directed onto any place on the table. Very accurate and spin is incredible.
The smashes with NEO are very powerful, either wrist smash or Kreanga style hit. When I use the Newgy robot at 27 speed or at maximum 30 robot speed, the TBS and NEO rubber spits back the balls like bullets, amazing!
Very consistent, very reliable! I would not use any other rubber on my BH. I did try the H3 National blue sponge 2.2mm version ($59 direct from China, available for top Chinese players only) but have taken it off after an hour of usage.
I was not happy using it from any side. It has a tremendous control and feeling, and it is fast and spiny but I like better the NEO and #19 combination, so the Hurricane blue sponge rubber is for sale, fresh from TBS blade.
As to the H2 #19 sponge: it is giving so much pleasure to play with it! It is smooth as butter, no efforts to counter, smash, counter- top-spin or counter side-spin over the table, just as the ball jumps from the surface.
#19 grabs it like a glue and spits it back with a huge dwelling time. Sometimes I fill I can change the direction of blade significantly and the ball is still on the rubber, then it departs exactly where I planned to send it. Amazing. When you counter, the movement is as short as you want, no dropping the racket to gain speed before impact, but you start the movement from the level of incoming ball, easy move and with wrist’s help, and max half foot move, the rubber drags the ball into the smash.
Even at 60-70 miles/hr the counter hit is effortless since the rubber is doing the job; you do not have to squeeze the handle.
The combination of TB Spirit and H2 #19 and NEO is so smooth and gives so much pleasure when you counter play that you can not stop practicing. I often stay for 6 hours playing with Newgy.
Push is very effective, since the sticky rubbers give you tremendous control. Services are very spiny and cheap points are coming often. I am talking a ~1500 level of game.
Problem #1: other than push, defensive undercut is difficult to perform, not undercut to undercut though.
The NEO is effective over the table, and up to 2 steps behind it. Beyond that point, the punctuality of return suffers. It can be because I do not have those skills playing from far behind.
More problems with #19: you need a 2.00mm + sponge to do your job. Also, to start short flip or push the #19 is very good, but to start a top spin /loop on push or undercut defense you have to make a huge physical effort. I always miss the first hit, it goes to the net. To start the move, you need to open the blade’s surface and make sure the acceleration is fast. The Tenergy 05 is much better, easy to start the topspin attack with.
The #19 seems to be to much hard.
Also, while you easily counter attack with smash like hit or top-spin, and especially with side-spin counter, the speed of the smash seems to be limited to max. 80% of that of the Tenergy 05 rubber return, or 70% of the Stiga blade catapult effect. Also, Wang uses Stiga carbo blade with H2 rubber on his FH.
So, often I have to work extra to win a rally, or use the side-spin wild hit/wide swing to finish the rally, since it is almost un-returnable at my level of play due to the high spin factor both NEO and #19 rubbers provide.
The #19 is acceptable to attack undercut from FH, but it comes with huge physical efforts and you have to open the racket tremendously, at ~45 degree to be able to pull out the shot; same for straight top spin hit.
So, that much of H2 rubbers.
I have couple questions to community:
1// Is anyone able to advise me on best rubber usage with TB Spirit blade, for attacking, counter and top/ side spin counter, and also looping game, close to table? Please respond.
2// Is anyone interested in buying my H2 Blue sponge National black 2.2.mm rubber cut to TBS blade?
I also have the same variation of black Globe 999 blue sponge, National black 2.2 mm rubber, new,
which two China team members use, including Ma Lin?
Let me know.
I hope, I helped.
tkphd11

[ejunkie]

Nice post.
What happened to the Stiga? Is it for sale?
I have clubmates who use Bryce Speed on bh on their TBS. I think they use Bryce FX on FH. I would say for me I probably use blue whale.
If you have something to sell, you can use the auction site or just put up an asking price here.